I'm all for the AI train and post-scarcity, but if you think a physician's job is the first to go, I question your (not you, but all of these people who believe this) intelligence. Next on our bucketlist: Southern Africa - the Great Migration. Ended up finding heart failure in them...and lots of transferring and admitting for inpatient workup turns out they had systemic and cardiac sarcoidosis. [–]nonam3r 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children). So while you can theoretically take 6-8 weeks vacation, you lose out on that same amount of time in income. Basically if you live in almost anywhere else you'd make good money. Great job stability and earning potential. [–]hsmooth83[S] 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children). Grew up watching the Bad Boys, then was in college when they won in 2004. They also are more curious and sometimes even want to learn a few osteopathic techniques for themselves. I had a feeling I'd always circle back to FM. I was in Thailand last summer and I'm still craving some khao soi I had at a small outdoor restaurant. As a premed, I never thought I'd end up making as much as I do now. [–]Seltonik 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child). It's usually just a, 'hi, how are things going?' 175 Family Physician jobs available in Hearne, TX on Indeed.com. On my busy days in clinic I estimate I can generate about $1700 in pre-taxed income. Rendered by PID 17300 on r2-app-0d42dc13095ebb974 at 2021-01-01 23:44:39.280389+00:00 running c709bd6 country code: US. With primary care being pressured to see increasing number of patients and with scheduled appointments back to back, do you feel like you have enough time to spend with patients? If you look anywhere aside from the large metro areas on either the west or east coast, you're much more likely to find jobs that pay $200k+. Their patients can come see you whenever they need to because you're not as busy as you would be working for a clinic. I will add to OP's comment about #4: step 1 studying is highly variable between medical schools and medical students. For residency? [–]hsmooth83[S] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (4 children). AMA. That is why I want to keep it small. I don't think I have the answer to a systemic problem, I can only do what I can for my patients in my future practice. Charleston Grill (#2 on Tripadvisor) We had the tasting menu (was pricey but sooooooooo delicious). During dedicated time, I was studying 6-10 hours a day. Not sure what they'll do with some of these laws, but there is a significant portion of America that depends on immigrant physicians for health care. Instead of a traditional fee for service, some physicians are charging a monthly retainer fee. Rounding 1 in 6 Sundays usually about 6 hours. Description. The national average salary for a Family Physician is $190,651 in United States. Some patients have actively seeked me out because they may have had some prior good encounters with DOs. If you could go back in time to your premed self, what would you tell them? However, you can basically make any specialty a lifestyle specialty. I In many parts of the country, a family physician would be lucky to earn even $160,000 annually. I definitely want to go back for Krabi. I've had colleagues that ultimately took a year or 2 sabbatical and went and did locums in New Zealand. In others, not as much. READ THIS FIRST. As a Canadian, I have never seen such low interests rates for Americans - always see 5-9% floating around..and on my own financial aid presentations during american med school interviews. Did you always want to go into family medicine? How often do you get people in your community that you know or friends that come up to you and ask for a diagnosis? Paperwork, dealing with crappy insurance policies, doing chart notes, difficult / annoying / smart ass patients / drug seekers. At a community hospital, I found that the attendings just really liked to teach instead of them testing your knowledge base. I wanted a good outpatient based education in residency. I'm learning more and more about investing properly, but at our current rate we'll probably have net worth of about $1 million by the age of 39. If you're open to working in smaller towns, you could probably find jobs that offer you contracts of $250k+ salary, $70k signing bonus, and pay up to $250k in student loans. AMA-style threads are not allowed without prior moderator approval. So you work 4.5 days per week, get weekends and holidays off, and get 5-8 weeks of vacation? [–]nonam3r 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). [–]throwawaymcat2MS1 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child), I'm also a premed interested in doing FM and I just wanted to thank you for doing this! 1) Where did you go to medical school? Has anyone ever asked, "What is a DO?". Every Mon off. [–]Astrikos 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (4 children). Some cities and medical systems may prefer an IM, but I still know FM friends who are hospitalists in major cities. practicing in real life >>>>>>>>>>> med school >> residency. There comes a point when there is diminishing returns. Then why did you come see me in the first place? Stick with it! My wife and I are currently dual income, no kids. [–]azmdplzMS1 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (1 child). [–]YourMoneyOrYourLife 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). At what age did you know you wanted to go into medicine, and why? Thanks so much for the insight; you're doing something wonderful for this community. I just met with a new doctor yesterday and felt cut off from saying anything. Had to think about the spelling for a while...but ultimately was too lazy to cross reference it on Google. I just focused on learning the high yield information. What would you recommend as far as eateries? You'll also enjoy a reasonable work-life balance that provides pl… My new job I'll be working just 4 days a week. How many hours do you work in a given day and how many patients do you see? I am thinking about going into primary care because there is such a high need but one thing that does drive me away is the level of pay compared to others. I actually think a more important factor is cost of tuition. I'm currently changing jobs. Full-time . Can i make up for that during med school or after med school when im practicing? Site Director for the Rural Training Track Residency Program designed to support and fulfill the mission and purpose of Family Medicine Residency of the Mississippi Delta. I had one gap year because I'm originally from Canada and the admission requirements for Canadian med schools are super tight. [–]Bahamasmama11 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child). Sometimes I have patients come to me from other providers and I'm appalled by the management and care they've been getting elsewhere - shortsightedness, lack of knowledge of current guidelines, irresponsible care, giving controlled substances to patients with substance abuse history, list goes on. I probably do it for my co workers for free once a twice a week too. We'd have to make some sacrifices to reach that goal though. I never seriously considered IM because I knew I didn't want to do inpatient work. I still have to work within the confines of the office rules. But also don't forget to take time to enjoy life even if you're going through premed classes, MCAT studying, med school admissions, exams, and Step 1, 2, 3. My first week as a full time attending. Would it be best to room with a med student? Typically, 5-8 weeks. Medical Center is looking for BC/BE Internal Medicine & Family Medicine physicians to join the hospital staff. If you don't mind me asking, how exactly did you negotiate such high salaries in family medicine? This question is honestly fucking retarded. [–]Wesmosis 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (1 child), [–]hsmooth83[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). I definitely feel a super cut throat pre med environment here, [–]spareanyexchangeREAPPLICANT :'( 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child), [–]juiceup17UNDERGRAD 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). I'm going to be joyfully gluttonous on that trip! [–]moneybags493MS3 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). Salary ranges can vary widely depending on many important factors, including education , certifications, additional skills, the number of years you have spent in your profession. They have been in practice many years more than me so I'm not afraid to run cases with them either even if they're 'just' a PA/NP. You're never going to know everything. I know of many FM docs that got hospitalist jobs easily. Eastern Europe. I average about 15-19 patients a day. Actually, yea, this was described in Better, I think it was about a few new docs that did this in a small town that eventually expanded too big and the new doctors they hired didn't have the same zeal and instead started to cut corners. [–]gymbuzzz 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). Topping the list is Massachusetts, with Hawaii and Connecticut close behind in second and third. By choosing to practice in the active Army, you'll receive a comprehensive benefits package that includes a competitive salary and financial incentives such as medical school loan repayment. - don't take any of your medical recommendations on treatment plan. - [Secondaries], [Interviews], [App Review], [LORs], [AMCAS], [AACOMAS], [TMDSAS], [Canadian], [CASPer], [Extracurriculars], [ECs], [Happy], [Meme/Shitpost], [Meme], [Shitpost], [Discussion]. You're not going to escape paperwork no matter what specialty you're in. 1 of those weeks is considered CME time, where we have $4000 to spend on a trip to do a conference in a nice location. [–]DemNeuronsMS4 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). If I remember correctly, I probably did this for a few months leading up to the exam. Or give talks at your YMCA or college. 1) I don't make as much as a specialist, but for the kind of work I do I think I get compensated more than fairly. I finished med school with about $210k in tuition, interest rates 2.7% so very doable. NBA -- Detroit Pistons. [–]WesKhalifaaMS2 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). Apply to Medication Aide, Hospitalist, Assistant and more! They don't have as much vacation time as we do, or they choose to spend their vacation time staying at home doing housework. Sorry I probably wasn't clear earlier. Young patient who had bounced back and forth between the ER for leg pain and some other issues. How stressful were rotations? During the easier rotations I'd play every few weeks. By using our Services, you agree to our use of cookies.Learn More. [–]gotlactosePHYSICIAN 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children). Some were just one night things. Benefits of the career outweigh the downsides. Awesome. It's nice to hear from the other side and dispel some of misconceptions that premeds hear often. Hey thanks for the ama. I read in your other post you said you've been to so many places, I'd like to do that soon too. [–]TheRealestDillOMS-1 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). When I worked at the hospital I know of some young docs who hooked up with a whole bunch of nurses. 3) I wish someone told me to learn more about personal finance before getting in to med school. Volunteered at the hospital doing non-clinical things. To ask a specific set of questions and click the right boxes in the patients charts to follow 'meaningful use' and get credit for doing certain things. You definitely need to hit up Charleston. some people seem to say that you shouldnt date classmates/coworkers to avoid the mess. I was interested in only an outpatient based, non surgical specialty, and something that I could reasonably get in to with my less than stellar med school grades and board scores. On my last contract I successfully negotiated an extra $30k of salary / bonus. [–]gotlactosePHYSICIAN 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children), Being confident, a good conversationalist, having a good personality, not being totally ugly, and being a good listener. If you find a good one that you get along with, it's great. It's not like you're a famous actor or professional athlete. They'll tell you things they've never told anyone before, and ask for your help. 3) Well, your typical "lifestyle" specialties are radiology, ophthalmology, anesthesia, dermatology. You just have to find a good group to work with, that has a good call schedule, and may be even option of cutting back on hours. Just curious, I know you said you'll probably have a net worth of around 1 million when you are 39- is that with potential kids? I don't think making 400-500k is worth it if you get to enjoy that.... 1) DMU was great! Take time for yourself. I'm a 33 year old physician in family medicine. Is your wife a doctor as well? How often did you play ball and lift throughout med school/residency/now? [–]martyrfxGAP YEAR 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). Sadly they're pretty unwatchable at the moment. If you want to end up doing research or academics at a prestigious university, then maybe MD may be better? So even if life throws you curve balls -- adjust to them, learn from them, and kick butt afterwards. When I step back and reflect on my life and career, yes. Loan payments are approximately 2-3k/month once you're out of residency. Exactly! One thing I've learned after 3 years - you never know WHAT is gonna come through that door. That's what's cool about medicine. Should you wish to submit your own content, please consider buying a sponsored link from reddit. [–]hsmooth83[S] 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (2 children). Some ended up marrying them. Edit: after your first year on contract, most jobs will transition you to production based salary. Plus all the other "classic" answers like: you get to know your patients over time, develop long lasting physician-patient relationships, see people from birth to death, etc etc. They want to do things 'naturally'. I get quite a few referrals from my MD colleagues to help a patient of theirs. Do you ever take work home? I'm situated close to Charleston but haven't been! Salaries for family practice doctors vary depending on what part of the country they live in and how much experience they have. Was pretty stupid looking back at it! Premed humor is encouraged. Employer name has been removed to protect anonymity. I taught my wife how to do OMM so we'll do some things at home if either of us has a sore neck or back. [–]ODhopeful 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). 2) Yes, I had 1 roommate during med school. In some places, it's really taken off. The 5,300-plus family doctors facing the prospect of pay cuts comprise about half of Ontario’s roughly 11,000 practising primary care doctors. If you're having trouble finding someone to shadow, I recommend just shooting an email to the human resources department at the hospital / health system in your area. Thank goodness! 3) What specialties would you recommend if I value lifestyle just as much as you? I would say your rotations you do as a med student probably influence your choice of specialty more than anything you did as a premed. Marrakesh and Casablanca. There are days here and there where I'm frustrated with the daily slog of patient care. Was amazing. There's always something you have to do...there's never really a time when you're totally 'free' of responsibilities. I probably averaged 2-3 hours of study each day on top of the studying for med school classes. [–]hsmooth83[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). I think your pay amount, the amount of hours you work and the lifestyle you have make up for everything. Easiest/most interesting? What do you like least about being a physician? Topping the list is New York, with New Hampshire and Vermont close behind in second and third. [–]masterp1992 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children). I've seen no instances where being a DO has ever affected my ability to get a job. Not gonna lie, I feel like this can't really be happening to me sometimes. [–]hsmooth83[S] 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children). I just had one other question. The actual material isn't super difficult, but you had to learn so much in so little time is what made it more difficult. St Petersburg Russia. That's awesome! I currently work 4.5 days a week. In some order. Better than any YMCA, Anytime, etc. One last question: Any FM fellowships that have higher employability potential than the others? Or become medical director for some community programs. According to the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics, on average, family practice doctors earn about $195,000 a year. I find that most FM positions are set up to allow you a good work-life balance. 3) What is something you wish you knew prior to applying or during medical school that no one seems to address/notice? At our school, we had a dedicated 6 weeks of step studying built into our curriculum. So I've turned down a few small town / rural offers that would have paid me much, much more $ to move to the city. If anything, I've had some elderly patients who actually ended up seeing another physician because they saw how young I looked and preferred a more 'experienced' physician. Figured I'd open one up here to. or was it just a product of the time you entered medical school? The average starting salary for investment bankers, with bonus, is $114,000 and rises to $163,000 for third-year analysts. [–]ODhopeful 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Hey I'm in the Midwest! One of my classmates I know just finished CT surgery at a prestigious program as a DO. Something still wasn't right. It was all or nothing at that time. If so, what kind? They'll just make you second guess yourself. Visit PayScale to research family physician / doctor salaries by city, experience, skill, employer and more. I don't know terribly much about the inner workings of medical school, only general process, so I have plenty of questions. I know of at least a handful if not more marriages that came out of people dating within med school or between med school classes. Probably not. You'll be there for births and deaths and everything in between. Wow, that's amazing. "house parties" were less common because no one wanted to clean up. Residency was a lot tougher. [–]alkapwnee 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child), I suppose this is where I say, "you can be beautiful on the inside as well". [–]MagicalPizza212MS1 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child). Just so you know, deferring enrollment is better than failing your first year of medical school. At that point, you've accrued ~200k in debt, and with interest, will end up paying ~400k when all is said and done. Opinion > Profiles in Practice The Happy PCP: $400K/Yr and Home in Time for Dinner — Primary care doc earns a specialist's income without working overtime. I'm on the west coast though, so it's not really plausible. ', [–]Zac_B21 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (7 children). I'm in the process of moving to a new job and I basically looked at the map and asked my wife 'Where do you want to move to? Salary, while not a huge factor, is a small concern for me, and I'd really appreciate any insight. Physicians living in our nation’s capital, for example, had the lowest average salary across all specialties — making a full 17% less than the national average for all specialties. [–]euclid4MS1 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (6 children). 2) How often have you used OMM in your practice? What's your work-life balance like? [–]mikeyjojo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). 2) If you had a choice, would you pick MD school > DO school? I might road trip down there because food. What's the pay like for p.a's? Was probably poo poo'ed by the ER as nothing. Your post-residency life sounds like my dream... [–]hsmooth83[S] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (4 children). I tried to lift about 3 times a week during med school, but on average probably ended up being more like 2 times. I love the breadth of family medicine. I never really had a big party life. I did shadow a physician a few times. [–]hsmooth83[S] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children). 5) I actually didn't have a lot of clinical experience as a premed. [–]hsmooth83[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). Length of the fellowship, salary, and details of curriculum (i.e. I'm coming up on my 3rd year of practice so I like to think I'm still young and can relate to life as a pre-med, med student, or resident hey just curious...as a FP, how hard is it to land a hospitalist job? [–]hsmooth83[S] 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children). This national sample shows that invasive cardiologists were once again offered the highest average physician salaries, at $648,000 for 2018/2019, which was an increase from the previous year. [–]hsmooth83[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children), [–]masterp1992 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children). starting the reapp process as I still have no II. There's so much to know, you could still learn something every day. Please read this while building your school list, especially to determine out of state friendly public schools and class sizes, If you are considering applying to the for-profit Caribbean medical schools, please read this first. However on the flip side, in my graduating med school class -- we matched into all sorts of specialties. [–]Negative_SplitsADMITTED 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (11 children). I had only applied to a handful of schools the first application cycle. One of the beauties of the specialty I see is the ability to run a small private practice. I'm getting a whole bunch of PMs now...can you send me one again? Socially, this was probably the best time though. Thanks. Clinical volunteering necessary with many clinical hours? I'm on call once every 10 days or so. Just reading through all the answers and responses and I want to say thank you! Whether the repeal is good for the health of the general population or not, is a whole different discussion. Below are the most recent family physician salary reports. Leaves little time to do much else, including spending time with family / loved ones. Thing is the extra paperwork I keep hearing about in FM? Did you have enough time to practice your hobbies during school/residency/even now? Why family medicine ? There IS a light at the end of the tunnel. anki decks). [–]spareanyexchangeREAPPLICANT :'( 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children), That's so funny, I'm an American at a big Canadian school hoping to go back to the states after graduating. Feel free to answer as many or as few of these as you like! Recognize if you're not happy - then do something about it. It's a given. Meaning, the more you do (procedures, diagnostics, etc) and the more patients you see, the more money you make. First and foremost, thank you for the detail, honesty, and overall genuine manner with which you're doing this AMA! Never really worked out how you imagine though. Not totally, but I do see physicians having to adapt to using newer technology. [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (5 children). I work here with my old cat and my secretary, Big Rhonda. I've been asked by my own patients perhaps 5 times in the last 3 years what a DO is. Hope your move goes as smoothly as possible! We each get about 5-6 weeks of vacation a year. Thanks, [–]skyguy246MS1 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed FM when shadowing. Nothing too crazy so far up until this point. [–]Stitch_Rose 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). Have your student loans been overbearing, if you have any? Assuming absolutely no more growth in salary … Unless you're already a high strung, anxious kind of person. Plus the physician advocacy groups / membership groups can be powerful enough to make sure our profession will adapt and carry on. It's weird -- sometimes I get a sense of jealousy and animosity from our own family members when we tell them about some plans for our trips. It's important for me to spend time with loved ones or travel and visit people/places. I looked at jobs in a major city in the mountain west region and they were offering $230k. - won't vaccinate their children because they don't want to harm them [–]hsmooth83[S] 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (4 children). Work smarter, not necessarily harder. [–]billythegruffgoat 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children). Did you take any gap years, and if so do you regret it or not ? Full size regulation size basketball court, with upper track and weight area. After 30 seconds explaining it to them, they're usually like 'ok, sweet! Or moonlight at a small ER. Sometimes I'll have patients who purposely seeked me out as their physician because they had such great experiences in the past with their DO physician. 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